How do I know that your god is The One, True God: Q18?

The following is part of a Series called Conversation with a Deconverter.


The Mesha Stele relict, what should be one of the most important archaeological specimens in all of Judaism as well as Christendom (not so much in Islam). Popularized in the 19th century as the “Moabite Stone”, it is a black basalt stone bearing an inscription by the 9th Century BCE ruler Mesha of Moab in Jordan. It is presently housed at Paris, France.

Question Number 18

The Jahve Stone

We call this the Jahve stone because, for one thing, as we shall see, Jahve (pronounced YO-VAY) was the personal name of the Abrahamic god and, for the other thing, can be likened to the Rosetta Stone for its ability to tie seemingly disparate information together in a shocking manner. The Abrahamic god’s personal name was YHWH, which in Hebrew is pronounced YO-VAY (It is NOT pronounced YAH-WAY). That pretty much gives it away, doesn’t it? You can visit the wikipedia site on YHWH to hear a pronunciation.

It begins as a tangent from the whole worshiping of the sun motif previously described. Curiously, the idea that Jesus was a stand-in for a sun god gains support from Malachi 4:2 which is referring to the Messiah when it says:

12But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go forth leaping like calves from the stall.

Notice that “sun” is spelled as to indicate a star, not a person. And this is not a translation error. The Hebrew term for “sun” is “Shemesh”. In the case of offspring it would have been “ben”. And Shemesh was the word used in Malachi and is the same word for the sun god of the Babylonians. Oops. The actual linguistic connection is through a cognate Hebrew shares with the Akkadian word, suggesting an origin even before the Babylonians. To be clear, Shemesh historically preceded the Abrahamic god by orders of magnitude (was established at least by 2600 BCE).  By contrast, the earliest secular reference to the term YHWH (pronounced YO – VAY), or the existence of such a god, is found on the Mesha Stele dated to about 840 BCE. And JHWH is just the name of a volcano god of the Midianites, latinized as “Jahve”. Oddly, King Akehnaton of Egypt, who created the first monotheistic religion, and Hammurabi have narrative parallels to Moses as well. The Midianites are a rather suspicious historical group. It is unclear what their origins actually are but use of this same god is suggestive of the idea that all three derive from a common source.

So, it is important to understand that this indicates that the Hebrew borrowed this word from the Babylonians as it was intended in Hebrew to refer to that god. This is the god whom King Hammurabi received his laws from from atop a mountain (as Moses did). This definitively ties the Abrahamic religion to an origin with the Babylonians.

This is analogous to a real world scenario best described through a thought experiment. Suppose we let “A” be a person who tells a story from her childhood to two friends – call them adherents – years later who did not know her as a child. A also tells both friends her full name. Now, the two friends of A don’t know each other. But suppose some day a man, B, makes the acquaintance of both adherents, even though the two adherents still never meet or know of each other’s existence. Now, suppose B hears the same childhood story of A from both adherents on separate occasions. B now cleverly inquires, separately and privately of course, of both adherents what the name of the person was who told them this story. Each provides the name of A. Now B knows that this childhood story originated with A, was communicated from A to both adherents, or from A to one witness who passed it to the other. Any number of intermediaries could have existed. And B wisely follows up by asking when did each adherent hear this story, that is, on what date did they hear the story. B now knows exactly what happened beyond any reasonable doubt. And, if you were in B’s position you would have absolutely no doubt of this. So, you can now so easily see, this fluke of Midianite history is telling us something explosive. The religion of Judaism was in fact a narrative duplicate of a religion from Babylon. Now, just recall the Misinformation Effect and you know why we have the Old Testament.

“A” is YHWH, or the person who fabricated YHWH, and the childhood story is the story of Moses/Hammurabi going up on an actively volcanic mountain, obtaining tablets with laws written on them from a god with a specific name, that is, YHWH, and returning back from the mountain to his people to share a set of laws whose content is, at least to some degree, described and specified in the story. The man “B” is the Midianites. The two adherents are the Jewish faith leadership and the Babylonian faith leadership.

A. Is it more likely that two groups who not only have narrative similarities in things like flood narratives and “Divine Commandments” but who worship exactly the same god are simply adherents to an even older, more ancient mythos or that YHWH – and by identity – Jave, is the One, True God?

The conclusion is irrefutable. If Jave/YHWH is the One, True God, he lied and misrepresented himself to two different populations for some inexplicable reason. We say this because the theology of the two religions is not consistent. These are two different religions too similar to have independent origins.

So, we note that Sikhism was created in the 1500s from distinct pieces of Islam and Hindu. Voodoo was created in Haiti in the 1700s and 1800s. When Catholic missionaries arrived to convert the Natives of Haiti, the Natives, having originated from Africa, took Catholic candles, baptism, crosses, bells and combined them with traditional African religious practices such as rituals involving drums, ancestor worship, dancing.

B. Is it more likely that the Creator YHWH took half accurate and half inaccurate pieces to form a heathen religion, and was thus an invention of men, or is it more likely that Y/JHWH is the One, True God?

eval1Now, the same thing further in the past and to the East: This is a depiction of Shemesh or Shamash, the god shared by both Abrahamic religions and the ancient Babylonian religion. The man depicted is believed to be a depiction of Shemesh. The Zoroastrian symbol was derived of this one. The first known, secular reference to Shemesh appeared in 2600 BCE.

In order to show that the YHWH narrative is a duplication of another we have gone straight to the heart of the matter by using the personal name of the god himself to trace his origins. It can’t be any clearer than this.

Once you’ve had a chance to respond I’ll proceed to Question Number 19.

– kk

  1. MIa VanHouten said:

    Okay, my issue with the Virgin story still stands but its not like I need convincing. I was born atheist so I’m just playing a role here, ha ha. Anyway, this post is amazing! You know, of course, about the Hebrew vowel-consonant thing, right? Anyway, yea, we agree that this is more likely two narratives coming from an older source.

    • Hey Mia,
      Yes, I told you about the vowel-consonant thing, remember? 🙂 Anyhoo, the pronunciation I’ve used is the modern, current one. It *might* have been different in the past but we have no way of knowing that. Even if it was, it would still have sounded very similar as only the vowels would change; e.g. YHWH becomes Y-X-HW-Y-H, where X and Y are the vowels. Either way, the name is exactly the same (more likely even then) or very similar.
      – kk

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