How do I know that your god is The One, True God: Q7?

The following is part of a Series called Conversation with a Deconverter.

English: Krishna in Todaji temple. Relief.

English: Krishna in Todaji temple. Relief. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Question Number Seven

Controlled studies show that, though it may be surprising, belief is generated by simply expressing it as fact; provided it is done in a particular manner. This is why “witnessing” is so popular in most religions; it is a deliberate tool for brainwashing and that is why it is so strongly encouraged.

In many of the studies performed on this phenomenon, a boring, monotonous and trying experience is “sold” using an insufficient justification. This concept is tricky and not at first obvious. But numerous studies have shown it to be true. It is essentially a defensive mechanism used to protect one’s conscience from discomfort or shock when a person is forced or otherwise compelled to act against their conscience. When a person is compelled to lie but given little or no justification for doing so, we tend more strongly to just believe the lie – conveniently sidestepping the guilt of lying, and we tell what we now “believe” to be true. It makes no difference how blatant the falsity of the claim is. But when given much greater justification for lying we correctly tend not to believe the lie when compelled to tell it. This is likely because the conscience is not disturbed or shocked since the individual can justify the lie. This is an utterly fascinating trick used by the creators of religion to brainwash:

… It exploits the very thing that sociopaths and narcissists lack; a conscience.

It is one’s conscience that tends to cause them to do this. Whoever came up with this knew how to run a con job and understood the psychology of a mark. And this is a tell-tell feature of religion; this tendency to observe exploitation of a person’s conscience, sense of compassion and empathy in order to gain their submission and compliance; to make them docile and malleable. It is precisely what persons in positions of power would dream of as a weapon for controlling large populations. This motif will keep coming up throughout this work.

Because it involves compelling others to lie, it is often associated with authority figures since those are the people often vested in a need to gain consensus to a fiction. So the con artists of religion long ago promoted this idea of “bearing witness” and extolled it as an adherent’s sacred duty to perfrom as often as possible. All they were doing was compelling their adherent’s to tell lies with insufficient justification. Over time these lies solidify into hardened belief systems.

Hindu sacred books represent Krishna, their Saviour and Redeemer, as in constant strife against the evil spirit. He surmounts extraordinary dangers ; strews his way with miracles ; raising the dead, healing the sick, restoring the maimed, the deaf and the blind ; everywhere supporting the weak against the strong, the oppressed against the powerful. The people crowded his way and adored him as a GOD, and these miracles were the evidences of his divinity for centuries before the time of Jesus.

Krishna was one day walking with his disciples, when “they met a poor cripple or lame woman, having a vessel filled with spices, sweet-scented oils, sandal- wood, saffron, civet and other perfumes. Krishna making a halt, she made a certain sign with her finger on his forehead, casting the rest upon his head. Crishna asking her what it was she would request of him, the woman replied,  nothing but the use of my limbs. Krishna, then, setting his foot upon hers, and taking her by the hand, raised her from the ground, and not only restored her limbs, but renewed her age, so that, instead of a  wrinkled, tawny skin, she received a fresh and fair one in an instant. At her request, Crishna and his company lodged in her house.”

On another occasion, Krishna having requested a learned Brahman to ask of him whatever boon he most desired, the Brahman said, “Above all things, I desire to have my two dead sons restored to life.” Krishna assured him that this should be done, and immediately the two young men were restored to life and brought to their father.

The learned Orientalist, Thomas Maurice, after speaking of the miracles performed by Krishna, says :

“In regard to the numerous miracles wrought by Crishna, it should be remembered that miracles are never wanting to the decoration of an Indian romance; they are, in fact, the life and soul of the vast machine; nor is it at all a subject of wonder that the dead should be raised to life in a history expressly  intended, like all other sacred fables of Indian fabrication, for the propagation and support of the whimsical doctrine of the Metempsychosis.”

To speak thus of the miracles of Christ Jesus, would, of course, be heresy although what applies to the miracles of Crishna apply to those of Jesus we, therefore, find this gentleman branding as “mfidd” a learned French orientalist who was guilty of doing this thing.

I want to ask you about a Hindu God. Perhaps he is The One, True God? Of course, the “God” is Vishnu, or Hari whose emissary was Krishna. Krishna was the “full avatar of Vishnu” meaning he was the corporeal manifestation of Vishnu on Earth, the incarnation of God.

Its not terribly long but long enough that I need to introduce him before I go further, so I’ll put this in one post as a prelude.

Hindu sacred books represent Krishna, their Savior and Redeemer, as in constant strife against the evil spirit.

He surmounts extraordinary dangers;

fills his journeys on his way with miracles ;

raising the dead,

healing the sick,

restoring the maimed,

the deaf and the blind ;

everywhere supporting the weak against the strong,

the oppressed against the powerful.

The people always crowded about him wherever he went and adored him as a God, and these miracles were the evidences of his divinity for centuries before the time of Jesus The Christ, the only begotten son of YHWH.

The learned Thomas Maurice, speaking of Krishna, tells us that he passed his innocent hours at the home of his foster-father, in rural diversions, his divine origin not being suspected, until repeated miracles soon discovered his celestial origin; and Sir William Jones speaks of his:

… raising the dead, and

saving multitudes by his miraculous powers.

To enumerate the miracles of Krishna would be useless and tedious; we shall therefore mention but a few, of which the Hindu sacred books are teeming.

The learned Thomas Maurice, speaking of Krishna, tells us that he passed his innocent hours at the home of his foster-father, in rural diversions, his divine origin not being suspected, until repeated  miracles soon discovered his celestial origin; and Sir “William Jones speaks of his raising the dead, and saving multitudes by his miraculous powers. To enumerate the miracles of Krishna would be useless and tedious ; we shall therefore mention but a few, of  which the Hindu sacred books are teeming.

When Krishna was born, his life was sought by the reigning  monarch, Kansa, who had the infant Saviour and his father and  mother locked in a dungeon, guarded, and barred by seven iron  doors. While in this dungeon the father heard a secret voice distinctly utter these words : ” Son of Yadu, take up this child and carry it to Gokool, to the house of Nanda.” Vasudeva, struck with astonishment, answered : ” How shall I obey this injunction, thus vigilantly guarded and barred by seven iron doors that prohibit all egress ?” The unknown voice replied : ” The doors shall open of themselves to let tliee pass, and behold, I have caused a deep slumber to fall upon thy guards, which shall continue till thy journey be accomplished.”

Vasudeva immediately felt his chains miraculously loosened, and, taking up the child in his arms, hurried with it through all the doors, the guards being buried in profound sleep. When he came to the river Yumna, which he was obliged to cross to get to Gokool, the waters immediately rose up to kiss the child s feet, and then respectfully retired on each side to make way for its transportation, so that Vasudeva passed dry-shod to the opposite shore.

… immediately rose up to kiss the child s feet, and then respectfully retired on each side to make way for its transportation, so that Vasudeva passed dry-shod to the opposite shore.

!!

When Krishna came to a certain man’s estate, one of his first miracles was the cure of a leper.

A passionate Brahman, having received a slight insult from a certain Rajah, on going out of his doors, uttered this curse : ” That he should, from head to foot, be covered with boils and leprosy ;” which being fulfilled in an instant upon the unfortunate king, he prayed to Krishna to deliver him from his evil. At first, Krishna did not heed his request, but finally he appeared to him, asking what his request was? He replied, “To be freed from my distemper.”

The Savior then cured him of his distemper.

Krishna was one day walking with his … disciples, when ” they met a poor cripple or lame woman, having a vessel filled with spices, sweet-scented oils, sandal- wood, saffron, civet and other perfumes. Krishna stopped where he was and she made a certain sign with her finger on his forehead, casting the rest upon his head. Krishna asking her what it was she would request of him, the woman replied, nothing but the use of my limbs. Krishna, then, setting his foot upon hers, and taking her by the hand, raised her from the ground, and

… not only restored her limbs, but renewed her age, so that, instead of a wrinkled, tawny skin, she received a fresh and fair one in an instant. At her request, Krishna and his company lodged in her house.”

Oh, I’m sure he did.

On another occasion, Krishna having requested a learned Brahman to ask of him whatever boon he most desired, the Brahman said, “Above all things, I desire to have my two dead sons restored to life.” Krishna assured him that this should be done, and

… immediately the two young men were restored to life and brought to their father.

The learned Orientalist, Thomas Maurice, after speaking of the miracles performed by Krishna, wrote :

In regard to the numerous miracles wrought by Krishna, it should be remembered that miracles are never wanting to the decoration of an Indian romance; they are, in fact, the life and soul of the vast machine; nor is it at all a subject of wonder that the dead should be raised to life in a history expressly intended, like all other sacred fables of Indian fabrication, for the propagation and support of the whimsical doctrine of the Metempsychosis.

Is it more likely that the re-telling of miracles was based on Insufficient Justification or is it more likely the re-telling of the miracles was based on the fact that Hari Krishna is The One, True God and yours is not?
Go to Question Number Eight

Krishna as Svayam Bhagavan in relation Vishnu

Krishna as Svayam Bhagavan in relation Vishnu (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

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7 comments
  1. Randy said:

    THESE ARE REAL EVENTS WITH SCRIPTURE QUOTES. THIS IS HOW i KNOW MY GOD IS THE REAL GOD
    Watch this and you will know we’re in END TIMES! hten tell me theres nothing to it all.

    • Hey Randy,
      Thanks for the link. I see your point but aren’t there several religions that could claim the same thing with regard to these signs? Many of these signs sound characteristic of many religions, right? I’m not saying it does’t point to the mere existence of a god, but I’m not sure it *identifies* that god? What do you think?

      • Randy said:

        It sounds as though your admitting that there is in fact a god of some understanding in this universe.
        Your correct a lot of religions do predict the disastrous end of the world we now live in. The Mayans, and others have calenders predicting it all are very similar in content. These same religions also say pretty much the same things about how mankind should conduct their lives in regards to the treatment of others in the world that are less fortunate than others. Admittedly Ive only glanced at some so Im not fully aware of their teachings. But I have learned that none of them other than the distorted views of the Muslims all of them do not condone the destruction of others for non conversion to that faith. Religion is a very confusing topic and unless one can truly say they have studied them all no one can be sure of the one true God. But on the other hand if you can see real results from your worship of your God whos to argue your worshiping the wrong one ? perplexing isnt it ?

    • Hey Randy,
      BTW, this means that you would agree that, given only those two choices, it must be that Hari Krishna is not The One, True God, right?
      – kk

  2. MIa VanHouten said:

    Kir, It took us a while but we all agree that it is more likely that these miracles were believed because of Insufficient Justification than Krishna being The One, True God. Everybody tried to find another way to answer but with the information given its pretty obvious.

    • Mia,
      Since you guys have answered I’m going to move to Question Number Eight now
      – kk

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